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tv   The Stream  Al Jazeera  December 6, 2013 7:30pm-8:01pm EST

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>> you're in the stream. mandela, rebel, terrorist, icon, can his legacy be reduced to buzz words and quotes. as the world celebrates the man how will he be remembered in the years to come. >> lisa fletcher is away, but we have our man julio, we can talk about this all day. >> we have been talking about it. >> we're still processing it. you told me top three icons of a
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generation. >> yes, he's one of them. >> and the global community has been unprecedented. >> it set a twitter record. 93,000 tweets in a minute. >> wow. >> and so we've been getting a ton of community through hashtag, people stream. we're getting from all over the world. and it's just--it's what it is. i want to share a couple. people talking about it. here is one. when i was little girl my mom took me to see mandela in london. that moment changed my life forever. when talking about mandela's activism, he said the strength of a man is capable of changing the world. stream community keep tweeting. >> keep talking to my man julio. and madiba, prisoner 46,664.
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noble prize man. and he was known by many titles. had his youth he rose to prominence fighting apartheid using both none violence and violent means. >> it is useful, so i continue to talk non-violence. >> for his opposition he was sentenced to life in prison. in 1972 he was released and became the first black president of south africa. he was a man with at times a controversial legacy. we have kevin, a political writer from south carolina, who was an anti-apartheid activist, and in johannesburg, communication guru who spearheaded events to get
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mandela released from prison. and finally, human rights activist and law student originally from south africa. all right, kevin, let's get right into this. we've been reading the legacy. we're reading the headlines. peace icon. but this is the same mandela who in 1961 spearheaded the guerrilla warfare training, who in 1965 was arrested for sabotage. should we recognize him as a radical, and should he be celebrated at such? >> what people forget there is such a thing as history. and people were involved with crushing rebellions, crushing movements all around the world. it was not just this revolution and fight against colonialism in south africa. people forget the belgium
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government aid in the assassination. and if you talk about a movement to fight colonialism, nelson mandela was the leader, spirit of the nation. it was about fighting for freedom against a minority government. a white minority government that kept its power by any means necessary. so as a young man nelson mande mandela, founders of the anc, were revolutionaries. it was by any means necessary. i think that they would--we should look at it as a revolutionary. now where he was as an older man, as the president of his country, as someone who bought into this idea of capitalism and cooperation with the west, and how people fared after the turnover in government, this lack of redistribution of wealth that has not occurred in south africa. >> we're going talk about that. but talking about history.
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your family lived under apartheid in south africa. talk to us what that young mandela meant to south africa at that time. >> i think mandela represented a voice for people to stand up for what was inherently wrong. we cannot have a minority group oppressing. for me he was a political activist who stood up for what he believed in. and made it a point by any means necessary, even if it meant that he died, he would. so for me he was very powerful in being the voice and representing one cause that people could unify and follow. >> you used the word radical and the community jumped on this. >> and he has been known as a terrorist. we have several tweets when
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asked that question. with when we ask why was mandela considered a terrorist. he was a credit of several u.s. policies highlighting issues that mandela cared about but the that the united states was critical. and we have got one from facebook. he was imprisoned for killing many innocent people. he killed and promoted the killing of many more after he took over in south africa. he was brutal and his legacy should not be that of a non-violent innocent protester and peacemaker. finally we got this one from the u.k. who said that the image of hang nelson mandela. i have a question for tony. what was it about mandela's ideology and action that made him be labeled as a terrorist in the united states.
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>> it was not just by the unitd states. the government in britain, margaret thatcher, herself, reported on him and the anc as a terrorist organization. now if you have an empire as the british did, we were in the business of coloniesing places. that's what we did in south africa. after taking over from the territories from the dutch, we were in the business of actually coloniesing, and we were in the business of taking away, it seems, the rights of the indigenous people of south africa from the time that the british arrived, the dutch arrived in south africa we took away their rights. we took away their lands. the black people in south africa had virtually no rights at all. they had no rights to representation. and the british had half left at
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that point, but they were given no possibility of representation. the onl alternative after the anc had tried every other way after 30 years was to take in the arms struggle and that's when they were named terrorists. >> there is a three-second del delay. but ino carrierringringno carri0
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